Chapter #40

The Urim and Thummim Stones - How To Hear The Lord

And thou shalt take two onyx stones, and grave on them the names of the children of Israel: Six of their names on one stone, and the other six names of the rest on the other stone, according to their birth. With the work of an engraver in stone, like the engravings of a signet, shalt thou engrave the two stones with the names of the children of Israel: thou shalt make them to be set in ouches of gold.                                                                                  Exodus 28: 9 - 11.

And thou shalt put in the breastplate of judgment the Urim and the Thummim; and they shall be upon Aaron's heart, when he goeth in before the LORD: and Aaron shall bear the judgment of the children of Israel upon his heart before the LORD continually.                                       Exodus 28:30

{Quote From Wesley}

Their government was a theocracy; God was their king, the high priest was, under God, their ruler, this Urim and Thummim were His cabinet council: probably Moses wrote upon the breast - plate, or wove into it, these words, Urim and Thummim, to signify, that the high - priest, having on him this breast - plate, and asking council of God in any emergency, should be directed to those measures, which God would own. {End Charles Quote, italics mine}

Urim Stone: “LIGHTS”. A flame as being denoted THE LIGHT OF GOD from THE EAST, for restoration of all creation will arise FROM THE EAST and move forward UNTO THE WEST until ALL CREATION IS CREATED BRAND NEW.

“For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”                  Matthew 24:27

Thummim Stone: “PERFECTIONS”. An epithet of the High Priests Royal Ephod that represented COMPLETE TRUTH. In relation to HIM THAT OVERCOMES this Stone represents one going forth on a VENTURE. They come forth at the end of that VENTURE in complete innocence and in a state of utter completeness in God. They also have the prosperity of the Kingdom of God as their fullness and eternal portion.

“ Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.”

                                                                                                   Matthew 5:48

“But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

                                                                                                   1 Peter 5:10


God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;” Hebrews 1: 1-3

“But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.” Hebrews 1: 8,9.


The entire picture of the Urim and Thummim Stones can be summed up in one place of understanding. And that is “hearing” the Lord speak, which is ever so gentle and is a still small voice deep inside a person’s Spirit. This voice has to be “learned”. It does not come automatically and it must not only be learned, but it must be “discerned” by the person that hears this voice. It is a voice that may not have words, but light, or it may be a voice that has words, but in 99% of the times the Lord has spoken in me, the words are very few, only part sentences or sparks of “light” that give me understanding.

The speaking of the Lord in a person is something I wish to point to finitely so that each one who reads these papers can know of a surety whether or not the Lord is speaking in them. For there is also delusion in a person. A place of deception, a place where the light that shines is not the true light. It is that place that we are overcoming in our obedient walk with the Lord. We need to learn the difference.

Today in the world we have many voices. We have many proclamations by many different peoples, denominations and cultures that they are “hearing” the Lord and they are following the only source of “pure truth”. Entire nations are caught up in realms of belief and culture that claim place with God. There are thousands of denominations, thousands of cultures, thousands of differing religions that lay their claim to being true and that they are doing the will of God, therefore God is speaking in them. Millions of books and papers have been written. Millions of people have shared one with another the words they claim the Lord has spoken to them and in them. There are lights and revelations in every portion of society. In spite of all this hearing from God from every nation and quarter of the earth, the world is still spinning into oblivion with increased realms of darkness, warfare and dissensions. Mankind has not found peace between their nations and the strength of armies has been the only way to force “will” upon someone else. Terrorism continues in the name of God and eastern and western nations are in a state of continual tension as they attempt to impute their stance and place in God, one over the other. Truly there is no peace.

Not only so, but Christianity is awaiting escape. They are trusting in rapture doctrines and beliefs that they hold the truth of eternal life. The salvation that they have is because of the atonement of Jesus, but then they mix their belief with false doctrines of escapism which will not prepare them for the tribulation that is coming into the earth in the very near future. Out of their own personal problems, debts and conflicts they will be delivered by a rapture which they refer to as “the great hope”. The coming of the Lord. The belief system of today’s Christian circles has been contaminated by doctrines that have led to error and to a loss of identity with the cross of Christ. Personal denial of self and the laying down of one’s own life before God has been circumvented by escapism doctrines and belief that they are already perfected in that place that cannot be deluded by anything of their own “thinking” or “preaching”. The cross is not cancelling out SELF. And the result is that Christendom has turned away from eating the flesh of Jesus and drinking His Blood. The true bread of life is not being ingested and the result is absolute starvation. Partaking of the table of the Lord unworthily is not being discerned.

“For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.”

                                                                                                   Acts 28:27.

“Hear ye, and give ear; be not proud: for the LORD hath spoken. Give glory to the LORD your God, before he cause darkness, and before your feet stumble upon the dark mountains, and, while ye look for light, he turn it into the shadow of death, and make it gross darkness. But if ye will not hear it, my soul shall weep in secret places for your pride; and mine eye shall weep sore, and run down with tears, because the LORD'S flock is carried away captive.”                                                     Jeremiah 13: 15 - 17.

For the Overcomer, hearing the voice of the Lord is quite different. It is not in huge volumes of writings. Massive books “about” the Lord and His wonderful plan. Even though those are areas of teaching, they are not the place that we are to “trust in” to hear the voice of the Lord. The Overcomer learns to hear the Lord in one way alone. A simple quiet, still small voice in their own Spirit. It is that “hearing” that I want to concentrate on in this writing. For hearing the voice of the Lord comes only by bearing your personal cross and remaining in a state of prayer in your closet of prayer. It is the “solitude” that a person who abandons all else to be one with the Lord in communion that gives us this “voice” which we need to hear. The sounds all around your hearing, all the questioning and thoughts of your mind, all must come to complete silence to hear this still small voice of He who created the entire universe and set in plan the great motion of His Spirit since time began. The Overcomer must come into absolute solitude and there in the stillness of your breath, wait for the Lord to rise and speak in you. But this needs to be TESTED. So then, on to the dangers, and on to the victories.


There are two ways of setting forth your spirit in prayer before the Lord so that you may discern the rising and the falling of the Urim and Thummim upon The Royal Ephod within you. There is a projected voice needed to sound forth the prayer, even if in the solitude of quiet thought, but it must be directed in such a way as to fixate your gaze upon the Lord Jesus Christ alone. This must be done in a direction that is of the Lord and that will not allow you to do anything but exalt Him alone as He that was raised again for our justification. It is when He alone is exalted that you will enter into true worship in Spirit and in truth. Everything of the garb of self must be left behind to come into this place of prayer and Worship which will break the bonds and fetters of iron and set you free. When in this place of honoring the Lord is established in you, so will the realization of His Spirit speaking also become a present reality in your every situation.

So then, the two areas of setting forth your spirit in prayer before the Lord are thus:.

1} To see the Lord as ONE with your Spirit, that He that is joined to the Lord is one Spirit, therefore the Lord is in you of a truth.  

2} To see the Lord as exalted into the Highest Heaven, at the Right Hand of God there to intercede on our behalf as the Great High Priest who bears faithfully the office of the Melchisidec order, He who has no beginning of days nor ending of life.

There is much peril at this time in the lives of those who are not heeding the instruction of the Lord when it comes to prayer. The end result has been reprehensible and very sad for many have fallen by the wayside and have destroyed their overcoming walk by not paying heed to simple truth. For if we heed the warnings of Christ in His word, we will conquer as He did, and will be found spotless at His appearing and in the coming of His Glorious Kingdom. If we do not heed His word, we will not partake of the Overcomers crown and we will not be part of this glorious plan that is unfolding in this hour. Not that I am encouraging you into works, far from it, I am encouraging you into FAITH UNFEIGNED, that which exalts the Lord alone in your belief. For in this hour there is the spirit of this abomination that makes desolate which will convince you otherwise and lead you in your spiritual walk while you all the time you are thinking you are led of God.


I have a severe problem with those who are caught up in what we term “Inward Looking”. It is true that your Spirit is one with the Lord’s Spirit, but that does not mean you go INWARD to find Him or to know Him. You cannot have the ability to discern Him by looking inward. But believe it or not, this is what a lot of the Sons of God are doing in this very hour. We have ended up with new age mentalities of every kind because of this behavior, and some of the doctrines that are now prominent in Son circles are due to this malady.

* - The inward looking leads to “self” as being the source of your power. Self says “I am the key element to my own personal power and standing in God.” This is dangerous.

* - The truth is opposite. The Lord in me, who is one with my Spirit and who is the source of power within me. Oh what a small but vital difference and needful to discern!

The act of prayer to seek out and to know the Will of God in your life or in a situation or question is done on two fronts. It is by these that the Urim and Thummim in your Spirit will rise or fall according to God’s Will.

1} See the Lord “IN” your Spirit! In other words, know that he that is joined to the Lord is ONE SPIRIT. This is the portion that “bears witness” to the rising and falling of the Lord in witness to your requests in your life. It is confirmed by the acknowledgment that Jesus Christ is alone exalted in your request and in your answer.

2} Look UP AND STEADFASTLY FIX YOUR GAZE UPON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST ALONE AND UPON N-O O-N-E E-L-S-E. For God is in Heaven and you are upon the earth, but it is God who desires now to elevate you to sit in Heavenly places in Christ IN your life, or situation or question.



There is only one means the scriptures give for us to be seated in Heavenly Places in Christ.

1st - take up your cross and follow Jesus daily, and while you do, hide yourself away in your personal closet of prayer. If you have to get into a real closet to do this, then do so, but I would rather you could still pay your bills and work at your job. The prayer closet is a PERSONAL REALM OF SOLITUDE WITH THE LORD. For me, I am in my prayer closet when I ride the city bus, am out shopping for my family, am in the public swimming pool, am amongst the people of my community, I am IN MY PRAYER CLOSET AT THE SAME TIME.

2nd - We are told in Ephesians 2:6 twice that we are raised up and seated TOGETHER in Christ in Heavenly places. Now you have read my writings up to this point you know that I speak often of solitude. But that is exactly the only means to be raised up together as one in Heavenly places! By being IN SOLITUDE. It is YOU, alone in YOUR CLOSET OF PRAYER, which is an “ATTITUDE” of prayer when you are out and about your day, it is IN THAT QUIET PLACE IN YOUR HEART that you are alone with the Lord, but it is THAT PLACE that God MOVES IN and RAISES YOU UP TO SIT IN PERFECT UNITY WITH HIS BODY IN HEAVENLY PLACES. Seek solitude with the Lord and He will join you in perfect unbridled unbroken unity with those of like precious faith, those who cannot do anything but adore the Lord and Worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. The result may never ever be seen by others at all, but the effect is ETERNAL. For when you lock yourself away in your closet of prayer, the Urim and the Thummim in you will be free to glow or fade according to God’s will in your life and you will always know HIS PERFECT WILL.

Here is the key. The Lord alone must be exalted. If anything comes to you that exalts YOU or mankind, or His people to an equal place with God, or that brings God DOWN to an equal place with man, then DO NOT LISTEN TO IT. For it is NOT God speaking. The rule is extremely simple. JESUS ALONE IS TO BE EXALTED. NO ONE ELSE. Now this is not the same as what I have shared in past writings when I have said that the Lord will come and will Glorify His people so that His people’s veins will pump the Blood of Jesus in them. For that is much different. That will be during the time when exaltation of His true overcomers WILL HAPPEN IN PERFECTION, IN A MOMENT, IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE. But know this dear Overcomer, the time is NOT YET. If you hear a word from anyone that exalts anyone into a place of equality with God or God comes down in equality with man, forget it. Lay it down. Put it out of your mind.

You have heard me harp on this many times, but it MUST BE SAID AS A WARNING.

We are in the time of great peril. This is the time of that son of perdition, Lucifer, sitting on the Throne of God as God saying I AM GOD. It is indeed the time of a great falling away from truth. And that is what we need to discern in our closets of prayer. Listen intently to these words, brand them right before your eyes and brand them upon your heart! Lucifer, this son of perdition, is ONE of the two beasts in Revelation 13. There is a wild one and a tame one. They are both Adam's fallen nature, but the tame one is LUCIFER, or if you will - RELIGIOUS TRADITION. Here is a description of Lucifer.

*He looks like God.* *He talks like God.* *He sits on the Throne of Heaven like God.*

*He prophesies like God.* *He walks like God.* *His spirit moves in assemblies like God.* *His spirit moves in the scriptures in revelation just like God.* *His spirit moves in the gifts of the Spirit just like God or the Holy Spirit.* *His spirit teaches like God in doctrine.* *His spirit even says "The Lord Jesus Christ" without being cast out like you would with demonic possession.* *His spirit bears witness to the blood of Jesus, to the passion of Jesus, to the death of Jesus, but with one subtle difference.*

And what is the difference between Lucifer and God and how can you tell? Lucifer exalts US. Perhaps along with Jesus. The Lucifer spirit not only exalts us, but it brings God DOWN to our LEVEL as people upon the earth. NO. We must REJECT THIS IN OUR MIDST. Jesus is EXALTED WITH A NAME THAT IS ABOVE EVERY NAME. HE IS THE HEAD OF THE BODY, THE CHURCH, THE FULLNESS OF HIM THAT (in time) FILLETH ALL IN ALL. NO ONE IS EVER GOING TO BE EXALTED AS JESUS. What Lucifer does is brings us and the rest of humanity UP to where God is and God DOWN to where we are.

So when you read something, is it exalting JESUS ALONE? DOES IT BEAR THE MARKS OF THE CROSS? That is your ONLY GUIDE.

We are indeed in perilous times.

And in the midst of all this, the Overcomer has to learn to hear the voice of God speaking and to know without question the rising and falling of the Urim and Thummim inside.

The Life of Prayer For The Overcomer

Because of the peril of this hour it is important to have wisdom, understanding and a deep knowledge of the Word of God. These three must bear witness in the heart of that person who would Overcome. This is your realm of protection. At the same time however, one must become skillful to go PAST personal thoughts of the mind, PAST personal emotions which can be deceptive, PAST reasoning because of personal emotion, PAST personal ambitions or agendas, PAST pre or post judgements of a situation you are praying about, PAST the knowledge of SELF, PAST the bending or directive of your personal will, PAST awareness of this world which abides in 1st death.

One must learn by looking up to Jesus alone to be JOINED TO HIM ALONE AT THE SAME TIME. For there is not one brother above the other when it comes to seeking the Lord. You cannot say that one person is further advanced in God when you too have the same ability and opportunity to become ONE with Him. To be filled with His Spirit. You do fall behind in being close to the Lord if you do not avail yourself of His person. Or if you think in your mind that your mind can find Him. For it is deep within you that your spirit abides and it is there, before the Throne of God that you must learn to commune with God. He is joined to you IN your Spirit but He is abiding ABOVE in the Throne of Glory. It is realms of SPIRIT that finding God and knowing the rising and falling of the Urim and Thummim must be discerned.

This coming to God in Spirit is set aside from all else in the earth including your own thoughts and emotions. It is apart from the natural light of this world as it is basked in Heavenly Light of His Countenance and His Grace. So when you go about your day, your day is lost in Christ in God, even though you live and work in the world, your heart is caught up with Him in solitude, and He at that point joins you to His true Church which is Spiritual and which forms that Heavenly Tabernacle in which God dwells. Then God will reward your life openly. The scent of Jesus will be upon you and His strength will fill you again and again with His wonderful presence and Love. This is the fruit of Overcoming.

To Be Continued............ Kenneth B Visscher

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